Re: cowardly propaganda

[srinupi@yahoo.com]

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IPI_Marker

Ashish is talking too much....

Taliban came to power in Afghanistan because of outside support.  The country became a battleground
for foreign nations which altered its power structure such that it unraveled its social fabric and
destroyed the family unit.

- Srinu


> Hi Srinupi,
>           Thanks for the compliments! If you look at my point carefully
> you will understand that Guns are not responsible but human beings are!
> Instead of blaming Guns for Afghanistan's problem it will be really
> useful to find out about the beliefs of Afghanistan's people and also
> those people who supplied the Guns. I have a feeling that people of
> Afghanistan are so illiterate and very coward who did nothing to
> prevent some ambitious people from taking over the whole country. Local
> warlords were so busy fighting among themselves that when Taliban
> actually captured the whole of Afghanistan people actually celebrated
> return of stability.
>
> > Afghanistan never had the chance to develop its institutions and
> > instead
> > the barrel of the gun quelled any aspirations of its native
> > population
> > and eventually led to an unstable power structure which destroyed its
> > social fabric.
>
> What do you mean Afghanistan never had a chance to develop its
> institutions? As far as I know Afghanistan has been in existence since
> couple of thousand years. You mean so many years are not sufficient!
> Poor Afghanistani people! So many outsiders interfered in their country
> they never really had any real chances! Didn't they? Boy, they surely
> had lot of opportunities to develop Madrassas which exported terrorism!
>
> > Where did the tanks and missiles come from?
> > Certainly
> > the Afghans don't have the technology to produce them on their own!
> > Had
> > Afghanistan developed these weapons on its own, its institutions
> > would
> > have been able to handle them better - and this is the essense of my
> > point!
>
> Where did all those Madrassas came from? Certainly, US, Britain and
> other usual suspects didnt't fund those religious (?) institutions.
> Then who funded and developed those institutions? Do names like
> Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and so on ring any bells? You are trying to find
> who to blame for destruction of social fabric of Afghanistan. First
> thing I would do in such a case is to look for beliefs of the people,
> their attitude to others etc. Guns and other physical objects are just
> means to achieve (and increase your productivity in killing others and
> defending yourself) your ends. They cannot influence your goals and
> beliefs. There are lots of societies in which large amounts of firearms
> are (were) present. Still those societies did not degenerate into
> Afghanistan. If you look at pre-British India there were no big guns
> there. But still lots of infighting was going on making the life of
> ordinary Indians a hell! It was probably our great culture and strong
> urge in freedom and peace brought to the fore by Gandhi which was
> responsible for our Independence and prosperity. To me it looks like
> lots of Afghanistani people are ready to die in name of defending their
> religion rather than achieving any real economic progress. This is the
> main reason for destruction of their social fabric (if there was indeed
> one before!). Guns or no Guns they would screwd themselves anyway. Guns
> simply acted as catalyst.
>
> By the way when you blame US, Britain for causing trouble in
> Afghanistan why not examine role of India and our darling Russia in the
> whole process also. When Russia attacked Afghanistan wasn't
> peace-loving, non-aligned India supposed to protest against Russia?
> What happened to Nehru's usual eloquence then which was so such on
> display when Britain captured Suez Canal in 1956?
>
> Imagine the other scenario! Imagine for a moment that Russia would have
> captured Afghanistan! Would it have been good for the World, for India?
> I do not like many foriegn policy decisions of US, Britain. However, I
> do want to credit them with rescuing the world from Communism and
> Fascism. I shudder to think what would have happened if people like
> Hitler and Stalin were not stopped in their march by US and its allies.
> This credit is due even if US and Britain acted in their self interest.
>
> Supplying guns to the Afghanistani terrorists in order to fight with
> Russians may look like a very short term policy in retrospect. But
> would you take the trouble to suggest an alternative policy for the US
> and Britain against Russia in Afghanistan (with the full benefit of
> retrospect with you)?
>
> Blaming those who are powerful and successful without suggesting some
> alternative actions and full analysis shows signs of diffidence and
> frustration!
>
> Regards,
> Ashish
>
> --- srinupi@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate
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> > IPI_Marker
> >
> > You certainly have a good imagination....see if you can stretch it
> > enough to understand exactly what I said which is: the guns from
> > foreign
> > shores altered the power structure within Afghanistan which, if left
> > alone, might have developed differently.  In essence, the guns from
> > the
> > military powers of the world were used to silence local interests and
> > to
> > destroy the country's social fabric.  What is
> > cowardly about this is that these same countries which supplied arms
> > before are now criticizing various factions for mistreating the
> > Afghani
> > people as if totally masking the root cause for all these oppressions
> > and atrocities!!
> >
> > Afghanistan never had the chance to develop its institutions and
> > instead
> > the barrel of the gun quelled any aspirations of its native
> > population
> > and eventually led to an unstable power structure which destroyed its
> > social fabric.  Where did the tanks and missiles come from?
> > Certainly
> > the Afghans don't have the technology to produce them on their own!
> > Had
> > Afghanistan developed these weapons on its own, its institutions
> > would
> > have been able to handle them better - and this is the essense of my
> > point!
> >
> >
> > > --- srinupi@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > The guns from US, Britain, and Russia destroyed the
> > > > family structure in Afghanistan and unraveled its
> > > > social fabric.  And now these nations are up to their
> > > > old tricks to hide this fact in Afghanistan!!
> > >
> > > This is a very very interesting argument. How can inanimate object
> > like
> > > Guns destroy somebody? Before this I had always assumed that in
> > order
> > > for the Gun to kill or injure anybody somebody has to pull its
> > trigger.
> > > Well looks like here Srinupi is accusing Guns of destroying social
> > > fabric and family structure (let alone killing or injuring
> > somebody) of
> > > country like Afghanistan. I will have to really stretch my
> > imagination
> > > here. Boy, sure, human beings have a tendency to simply blame
> > others
> > > for their mistakes! But, Guns! come on! This is too much!
> > >


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